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Elizabethan Loose Gown

Lady Violet Ruthvene at June A&S 2010

Lady Violet Ruthvene at June A&S 2010

Finished and worn at the SCA West Kingdom A&S event. Was originally going to wear it with a white shirt, but that looked to stark. So I rooted around in my closet and found a black gothy peasant dress in cotton gauze with full sleeves. It worked visually, if not accurately. Must make a coordinating shirt at some point.

I planned to wear it with a black ruff, but the day was far too hot. I did wear it with a white linen, wired-front coif which I entirely hand-sewed two nights before the event. Not sure what got into me ‘cept I wanted another item of headgear.

While the whole outfit was rather sack-like and bordered on butter-churny, it was exceedingly comfortable (despite the 90-degree heat). And it *was* rather elegant and refined, so I could easily fall into my goodly housewyfe for a country manor persona. Quite suitable!

Updated:

I’ve since worn this outfit at many SCA events, both as-is and with other accessories. It’s proving to be a workhorse of my camp wardrobe. Very useful, comfortable, and attractive. I can throw it on in the morning over my nightclothes & wear it around camp, or I can dress it up with ruffs & jewelry for a day-long event. Everyone needs one of these!

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Add skirt, call it done

I’m *this close* to being done with the new outfit. I cartridge-pleated up the black wool skirt and attached the waistband (note: I really do a lot of hand-sewing for someone who hates hand-sewing). Let it hang on Sunday so I can hem it tonight or tomorrow. Hemming will be by hand (see note). I’d use steam-a-seam except I haven’t had good luck with that on wool; works better on silk due to the lighter weight and crisper hand.

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Deconstructing the sleeves

And now, the story behind the sleeves…

As I mentioned, I started by using the Reconstructing History pattern. I cut out the larger, less structured sleeves, shown in the pattern on the far-right image. The pattern does admit these are less historically accurate, and by that I supposed it means they are not a copy of the Janet Arnold pattern as the rest of the pattern is. What it really turns out is that they are pure fantasy and they were probably never tested before the pattern was sold (this is a common rumor about RH patterns and I suspect it’s true given the fit and assembly problems I’ve had with this line; of course, I heard that after I had already bought 4 of ‘em, feh).

It’s hard to see on the website, but the drawing indicates a big round puffed sleeve, a simple shape, something vaguely in the realm of this or maybe the top part of this. Giant round puff above the elbow. Nothing too fancy ‘cept for what you trim it up to be.

The pattern piece is one huge shape with that curved on the sides and ended with a little short tube. I wasn’t too sure about it, but hey, I’ll give it a try. I’m in a hurry, this is supposed to be a quickie project for a gown I can just throw on, and besides, I have plenty of fabric. (cue “famous last words”)

I pin-basted it together and the thing looked super-floppy, a real mess. That can’t be right, I thought. So I’ll add some interfacing, the stiff kind I use for purses. Want the “puff” to puff. Ok. Sew the whole thing up, add a ton of trim, attach to gown.

Well. You all saw the hideousness that resulted. Wtf, indeed! Was it too stiff now from the extra lining? I punched in the shape 10 different ways to see if it would have been better floppy. No. I pulled it out to maximum puff. No. The shape is fucking weird! Why did they use this shape? It doesn’t look like anything in a portrait I can find. I mean, maybe there’s some weird-ass thing it’s trying to recreate ala Henry VIII-being-an-asshole, but this is certainly not representative of female Elizabethan loose gowns in my survey of the outfits. Not saying I’m the uber-expert, but I do know some stuff, and 20 some-odd portraits and the few extant items sure as hell don’t have stupid sleeves like this!

That was where I left it Sunday night, feeling like I wasted my whole weekend.

Monday, I woke up determined to fix this bastard. Cute little puffy sleeves were my goal. How about paned sleeves? That’s period, it’s attractive, and I could do them in the burgundy and black color scheme from The Stash. I drafted a pattern by 11am — purely from my own arm measurements and my own brain, thankyouverymuch! Good fit on the first try even. Cut out an inner lining of burgundy twill, a black satin puffy bit for the ‘slashings’, and strips of the burgundy damask for the panes.

Here’s where I had a problem: I was out of burgundy thread! Doh. The closest match was a hot pink or a bright red, neither of which really worked. How could I finish the edges of the panes without thread showing? Trim was the obvious answer, except that all those panes meant a whole lot of trim. Even stripping the trim off the bad sleeves and using the meager bits leftover, there wasn’t enough. Also, the black gimp was pretty wide and looked a bit visually heavy for the panes, imo. I wished I had more of the baby gimp that I’d used in layers on Thomas’ doublet. I knew the nearby Jo-Ann’s was out of that though, because I’d just been there on Saturday to buy more of the wide black gimp (why oh why did I not get more burgundy thread? no, I didn’t want to take the 2 hours of public transit time to go yet again!).

I scoured The Stash, and all I came up with was 2 packs of pre-made black piping. Y’know, the kind that’s sold next to twill tape and pre-made bias. Not sure why I had it, but it just could work … except it wasn’t quite enough! Measured it all out and I was about a yard short! Omg, now I had to not only pipe something but *make* my own piping! Cue bad flashback to the Eugenie project, my first and presumably last attempt at piping. Horrors!

But wtf, I had black cotton, I had a whole spool of that cord you put at the center of piping, I had a mat and a roller cutting thingy. Yep, I made bias strips, sewed ‘em together, and made my own fucking piping cord. And I piped both sides of each pane of those sleeves! Took hours, but I freakin’ did it.

After that, the sleeves went together easy-peasy. Gathered the black satin, laid the panes over it. Considered stuffing the satin, but it didn’t need it. Added a cuff of the burgundy damask on the bottom edge and trimmed that in the gimp and cord from the old sleeves to tie it together with the gown. Then hand-sewed the sleeves into the gown. Still want to put a line of gimp along the sleeve join for a last level of “finish.”

But yeah, them sleeves. Piece o’ work in more ways than one!

Oh and I still am not sure about the collar. The opening is too wide and it looks odd on me. May have to remove it and then add back the line of trim (for finish, again). I’d like to wear the gown with my suit of black ruffs, which is impossible with this ill-fitting collar. Would have been ideal with a properly fitted collar, but should be at least OK without any collar and just a collared shirt.

And I couldn’t get to making the skirt for this outfit at all since I had to spend an extra day on the &$(*#@)! sleeves. Hopefully the basic black wool skirt will actually just take me an hour or two as I oft say they do. Please don’t cue “famous last words” here…

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Pattern hate / love

I hate the sleeves I put on the loose gown yesterday. They look like Henry VIII being an asshole. Another Reconstructing History pattern FAIL. Also, the collar is way too big (again, a reason not to follow the RH pattern; it’s so freakin’ *off* as far as size goes, either too big or too small, just WTF? of course, I should have noticed this earlier, but I was fussing with the other parts to make it less sack-like).

So I’m making up a totally different sleeve design that I cut out before breakfast/lunch. The good thing is that while I was making food, I found that the Fuse channel is playing nonstop Lada Gaga videos. Very entertaining and inspiring for working on creative projects.

Later that day…

The gallery below shows the before and after…

Seriously, this should be the last time I use a pattern as-is. Franken-patterning, sure. But wtf was I thinking using the thing — especially an RH pattern, known for questionable fit and style — as it was out of the envelope? I am so kicking myself.

No, I’m not one of you hot-shot draft everything from scratch people. Never will be, I suspect. I like using patterns. But I don’t like using them as the gods intended because so many pattern-makers are asshats. Really, the Truly Victorian gals are the only pattern designers worth the name and money. /end rant

So I ripped out those sleeves and ripped off the trim to reuse. Made my own sleeves a la below…

Even piped the panes, me, who said she’d never pipe again. But I had a reason this time; long story, I’ll tell it another day. Dead tired now.

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Big-ass sleeves

No pix, but I made ginormous sleeves for the loose gown. Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand, I like obnoxious fashion details. On the other hand, these are pretty freakin’ obnoxious, and it’s a good thing I didn’t pad them like I was tempted to do.

I almost feel up to going to BayCon tomorrow, ‘cept I know that the day full of panels would exhaust me and run through my throat. Need to save it up for Thursday in Reno.

So it’s another thrilling weekend at home, hitting refresh. I should be able to finish the loose gown tomorrow tho…

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Skirts and trims

I set a strip of hook-and-eye tape in the late 16th-c. loose gown, which I started work on. Goal is to have this wearable for June A&S (yeah, yeah, planny-pants here is thinking ahead even though I’m still finishing stuff for the UK trip). Got the main body finished last night, letting it hang, and am debating adding a velveteen guard as the hem, since I have some coordinating velveteen leftover from the Valois gown.

The bigger problem is that I need a skirt to go under it. I *was* going to make it full-length, but for some reason, I cut it mid-calf. Still not sure if that was an accident or on purpose. But having a black skirt will be useful — if I can find some black fabric! There are no suitable black skirts in the closet (they’re all noticeably the wrong period). I have 4 yards of black wool, but it’s a really light weight (a bad online buy). I wonder if I could line it and/or guard the hem and put horsehair in the hem and pleat the waistband just so, all to get more oomph so it doesn’t look like a limp sack.

Blah blah blah, my sewing is boring, nobody cares!

Later that night…

I laid out all the trims I could possibly use on the loose gown. The gold stuff looked period (if a bit Sgt. Pepper), but it *totally* did not look like me. The all-black trim was the only thing that fit with my aesthetic and persona.

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Small progress

I ironed a bunch of pre-washed fabric for my loose gown. And I had a little epiphany … this gown will make me look matronly. But in the 1580s, I *would* be a matron! I’m 41 years old, my SCA persona is married, manages her estates in her husband’s many absences, and has grown children (one married and angling to take over the estate soon). If I want to be historically accurate, I’m the very definition of a matron. So there’s no point pretending I’m not.

Of course, I can be a very elegant and wealthy matron, wearing the very latest fashions from France, where I have connections. There’s always that.

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Please help me do my homework – Elizabethan loose gown examples needed

For once (or maybe twice) in my life, I’m drawing something of a blank when it comes to trim patterns. Maybe because the outfit is outside of my usual style or maybe because I’ve been cranking through a bunch of other costumes recently. So, I’m looking to the LJ hivemind, you’re my only hope! I need ideas and examples of late 16th-century loose gowns with examples of trim.

I’m using the Reconstructing History pattern here, and I’ll wear it closed as on the far right. Not sure what kind of sleeve, but probably a simple puff.

The fabric is a dark red, almost-but-not-quite burgundy cotton damask that I bought from Etaine a while ago. Heavy weight, big pattern repeat, but it’s a subtle damask. So any kind of trim can go over it and not interfere.

I have various stuff on hand — some old-gold (non-metallic) scroll braid, tons more of the purple braid and wide gold/purple chenille trim I used on the black doublet, and various widths of black braid and gimp.

Some ideas so far:

  • Catherine de Medici, black gown with white lengthwise and angled trim — could do this with black trim
  • Infanta Caterina of Spain, black gown with gold lengthwise trim and top slashes — could do faux-slashes and buttons/toggles, in either gold or black
  • French noblewomen 1581, short gown with straight trim lines at edges — could do in black or gold or alternate in both
  • Woman by Cranach, black gown with cord, decorative button, cord — could do in black or gold

The other pix I have bookmarked are all solid black gowns where you can’t really tell what the trim is, or they’re much more open gowns (though some of the above are too). Or the trim is super-elaborate metallic/embroidered, which I can’t really afford right now. I can get a bunch of cord/braid/gimp kind of trim though, plus buttons or frog-type closures.

So, anyone have better pix? More ideas? I’m really hunting and hoping! I have this insane idea that I can whip this puppy together in time for June A&S — the gown itself is super easy (mocked up a size already), it’ll be trimming that’s a bitch. So I need a plan, man.

Later that day…

Could go extremely simple (which isn’t my usual thing, but hey, pressed for time…), a la…

Amee Flower’s lovely recreation — plain gown w/simple bow closure. Of course, that looks better with the contrasting gown underneath, which I won’t have. Hrm…

Or extremely elaborate, a la…

Woman from a Milanese Tailor’s Handbook, 1570s – burgundy with gold trim concentrated at the chest — this could work nicely with my red fabric and gold scroll trim.

Still looking for more ideas, and help is always appreciated!

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Going loose

At the SCA March Crown, I was quite impressed by Elena’s short loose gown, and Jauna also let me try on her Spanish ropa over my gown, which looked pretty darn nice (and hey, we’re the same height ;-). I’m thinking the burgundy/red cotton damask in The Stash would make a good loose gown, and then I need a fancy and proper shirt with ruffs at the collar and cuffs because that really sets the look off. Black trim, perhaps with gold also (gold buttons or something). Maybe I can do that after England and before A&S? Heh.

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